What Price Appeasement?

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By Chef Jeff

 

Like it or not, our nation is a deeply divided country with people on the Far Left and Far Right constantly at war over ideology, policy and even history. Read any book by a Right Wing author and you will be certain to discover that people with a mind-set to the political Right see things much differently than those on the Left. That, perhaps, is simply the nature of things.

So, when President Bush hints that people on the Left, namely those who agree with Barack Obama's statements that he would engage in personal diplomacy with people such as Iran's president Ahmajinedad, and when he compares it to Neville Chamberlain's futile attempts to "appease" Hitler, does that strike you as a fair comparison?

I would think that we should first define what the Miriam-Webster Dictionary says about the word appease:

1): to cause to subside: allay

2): pacify, conciliate; esp.: to buy off by concessions

I am assuming that President Bush meant the latter definition, to buyoff by concessions. Is that really what Obama is saying? In listening to him, I don't think so. Check out the video link that follows for your own take on what Obama says.

So, is Obama right to be incensed about these comments? Without mentioning him by name, President Bush as more or less condemned those who disagree with him on his position in Iran. This reminds me of his utterance that the nations of the world are either with us or against us, which unfortunately now firmly places most of them in the "against us" category, since most are not outwardly "for us." Utterances that give an either/or demand usually do not end up being either intelligent or effective.

But did President Bush directly attack Obama? Some say he did, others say no, and shrug their shoulders over the entire affair. Unfortunately, in my observation and opinion, this shoulder shrugging has become a popular way of saying "We did it, but we'll never tell you we did it!" So has the "Mona Lisa" smile or grin that some people use to say the same thing. It is as if they are saying, "Wow! Aren't you clever! Now go away!"

Unfortunately, politicians lie, and they lie often enough that we should never trust them. I can understand Bush wanting to reassure the Israelis, to bolster his image with them. I, too, sympathize greatly with the nation of Israel, and I want to see the U.S. support them and build them up so they can defend themselves. I also want to see a just future for the Palestinian People, and I am not wise enough to know how to accomplish this. I do know, however, that Iran is one key that we must turn in order to relieve the pressure on the Israeli-Palestinian pressure cooker.

But calling the Iran-Dialogue that Obama has called for "Appeasement", and then, by inference, calling him as foolish as Neville Chamberlain, while also likening the whole picture to that of Nazi Germany and the situation in 1936-38, seems like a stretch to me. Does it to you as well?

Maybe it's only fair, since the Far Left often calls Bush/Cheney the warmongers, the Fascists, and other unappealing names. But if it is fair, who made it so? Who gave our future leaders the right to explain their opponent's position as Fascist or Communist? Who was the first one to start Swift-Boating others, if that term is truly appropriate. Did it begin earlier than the 2004 campaign between President Bush and Senator Kerry?

Yes, the sad truth is that both political parties have used ambush, dirty tricks and low-down attacks throughout their sordid histories. It is not the realm of one party alone, although there are some, especially on the Left, who claim that the worst examples have come from the likes of Karl Rove and others, who support Republican candidates.

It is incumbent upon all Americans that we realize that this is not a new phenomenon: Richard Nixon used dirty tactics back in the Congressional campaigns he waged before becoming the vice president under Eisenhower. Operatives used them against Kennedy as well, but even those were not the first attacks. They go back, way back, to the founding of our nation. Even before independence, George Washington endured the ceaseless back-biting of political foes.

It is hard to believe now-a-days that Washington had so many enemies, or that his political ambitions were as high as they were. Even Lincoln, who many consider one of the greatest political leaders of all times, was called "the original baboon" by opponents, and much worse by friends.

We have sanitized the images we hold of the leaders who came before us, just as we often vilify those we are about to decide upon. This reminds me of those who believe that life was better "in the old days" and yet forget that racism was condoned by government, disease took millions of lives, and living conditions were not all that great even just 70 years ago. (In fact, I would challenge anyone who believes that life was better in the old days return to The Dust Bowl and hold on to that belief!)

I often believe that by gross generalizations about candidates, for example, linking them with people they have met, or the people who support them, is an ignorant attempt to accuse them by association with someone who the public will hate. It is simply saying, "He knows this crook, therefore he must also be a crook."

By associating Barack Obama with Neville Chamberlain, I believe that President Bush has overstepped the bounds of Presidential decency and has given in to the dark side of political expediency. I equate his statement with "I did not have sex with that woman," as the most ridiculous attempt at diversion I have yet to hear in this century.

Barack Obama is no appeaser, any more than McCain really wants our troops to remain in combat over the next 100 years. The reasons people make political hay of these statements is simply because we, the People of the United States, have forgotten that things today are pretty much as they have been in former times. We neither live in the best of times, nor the worst. We simply live in the times we were born into, and as such, become the caretakers of our fragile Democracy.

Each generation has the potential of becoming The Greatest Generation, but only if we see past the garbage we are being fed in order to warp our minds to one point of view or another. It is true that Freedom Isn't Free, but neither is it easy, and the hardest part is the ability to see past our own prejudices and biases, to see things as they are, not as we expect them to be.

If we can get past that point, I truly believe we will become The Greatest Generation in The Greatest Nation on Earth. In the meantime, we are stuck where we are, with the power to escape the mire, but perhaps, tragically, without the will to even try.

President Bush's Speach in Israel Seems to Link Obama to Appeasement

Obama Responds to Bush Appeasement Comment in Israel

Chris Matthews on Bush's Appeasement Statement

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Karen Ellis Level 1 Commenter 4 years ago

Hi Jeff,

Yes, it is as though Bush gave the countries of the world and ultimatum when he said they are for us or against us. Ultimatums always end badly - not a good idea to use them unless as a last resort.

I agree!

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Storytellersrus Level 7 Commenter 4 years ago

Just when I think he can do no more harm, Bush renders me speechless with astonishment.

Very thoughtful hub, Jeff. Thanks.

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NateRider 4 years ago

I'm a conservative when it comes to political matters, but it is true, comparing Obama to Neville Chamberlain is a stretch, at the least. I don't know whether or not Obama will appease Iran or not, no one knows the future for certain. Keep writing!

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premsingh 4 years ago

I don't want to appease you but your hub is really very very good.

Agro Donkey 4 years ago

I don't agree fully with everything that Bush has said or done but in this case I believe he is correct. I know it isn't the cool thing to agree with Bush but to sit down with a government leader who supports the very people who are killing our troops without them doing anything to deserve that oppertunity is not a very smart idea. If they would do something, anything at all to show that they are willing to speak with us then fine why wouldn't we talk with them but to not change anything and get to sit down and speak with our president is ridiculous. If you ask me we should already be out of Iraq and invading Iran. We know that's where the weopons and soldiers are coming from so why not just take them out. Iran doesn't even recognize that the Jews were being killed in record numbers but we as a country think that by talking with them they are going to chage the way they feel about us. I don't see it but hey I'm just some guy typing on his computer so what do I know right.

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Chef Jeff Hub Author 4 years ago

I agree that Iran has to make concessions inorder to try to resolve the crisis in the mIddle east, but quite honestly, the Bush administration is already carrying out talks at some levels with Iran.

And as Barack Obama said in a recent interview, he is not necessarily talking about meeting with Ahmadinejad.  As he stated, Ahmadinejad is not necessarily the most importnat person por the most powerful person in Iran.  Indeed, he is a lower-level personage than some of the others who rule quietly from behind the scenes.

Still, we are currently talking with people in Iran, and those talks have been sanctioned by President Bush and are carried out through the State Department.

As for Iraq, I agree - we need to bring that sad adventure to a close, and the sooner, the better.  I was encouraged to see that after nearly six years of trraining the Iraqi army was finally able to carry out an incursion into Sadr City.  Who knows - in another 100 years they might actually be able to move out of Baghdad! ;)

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robie2 Level 6 Commenter 4 years ago

Agro-- it's not a matter of the Iranians "changing the way they feel about us" it's a matter of negotiating rather than giving ultimatums. We want certain actions from them and they want certain things from us and Europe--it's a matter of trying to find a comprimise and you can't do that if you don't talk. Bush has acted like a schoolyard bully from day 1--time for a change.

And chef Jeff, I agree that Bush's Israel speech was appalling on several counts...not only the Neville Chamberlain comparison, but also the fact that he chose to bring domestic campaign politics into a speech he was invited to make in a foreign country in front of that coiuntry's parlliament, on the occasion of that country's 60th birthday--what an idiot!!! Great hub and great discussion.

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Chef Jeff Hub Author 4 years ago

First of all, Premsignh, thanks for the comment - I'll take a compliment any old time!

Next, robie2, I agree that Bush has acted like a bully, and in a way I can understand some of the anger after 9-11, because I. too, felt abger. But my anger was aimed at the CAUSE of the attack, not on Iraq, which from the very start President Bush assured us, telling us as plain as could be had nothing whatsoever to do with the attack.

Lastly, Argo Donkey, I do not hold President Bush solely responsible for our actions in Iraq. I DO however hold his trusted inner circle, starting with Cheney, responsible for most of the trouble we are now in.

But, the buck stops at the President's desk, so he has to shoulder the blame for his blustering, jingoism and the famous "with us or against us" policy that has only alienated us from others who would and should be helping us out with our diplomatic efforts around the world.

Bush's legacy has yet to be written, but I strongly believe it will not be flattering - unless Karl Rove writes it!

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pjdscott 4 years ago

Am I glad that George W. is not the head of my nation! Apart from being a liar, I don't think he really understands the Middle East, Europe or China for that matter.

Some great points and issues!

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donnaleemason 4 years ago

I can't say I trust many of them. With all the mud slinging that goes on, they are just belittling themselves.

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jimcrowthers Level 1 Commenter 4 years ago

Even though I didn't vote for him (niether time), to all International individuals who visit this hub page, as an American, allow me to extend my apologies for this current administration. With the information and intelligence reports given, I might have done the same things that Bush and his cronies have done, but I can't imagine that scenario in my wildess dreams.

He has made statements that are divisive, and has made decisions that has put our national security and economic health at risk. Congress hasn't been any better, by allowing him to do this, and even signing the Patriot Act almost unopposed. Again, I might have done the same thing, but I can't imagine I would deliberately take away our liberties for security. Was it Ben Franklin who said, "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."? I feel that is what we have done, and, to possibly go down a slippery slope, it may be irreversible. What a shame. We had such a great representative democracy going too.

Just because I make these statements, doesn't mean I don't love America, because I do. I just can't wait until McCain takes office, and fixes our foreign affairs fiasco. And even though I'm rooting for McCain (what gave it away?), doesn't mean I don't think Clinton or Obama wouldn't make good presidents. I'm actually happy (ecstatic) we finally have some great choices!

Great hub, Chef!

ColdWarBaby 4 years ago

Another fine HUB Chef.  Thank you.

Just as an aside, political mudslinging goes back a long way.

http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/01/19/a-history-o

All the conflicting opinions, jingoes, slogans and rhetoric are tiring to the point of exhaustion. I, for one, believe the die is cast and that the American experiment is about to end in a very unhappy manner.

"There is no way to peace. Peace is the way."

-- A. J. Muste

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